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Signs of the changes into fall always make me wonder what the winter season ahead will bring. Late fall and winter are usually one of my favorite times of year, as i am a cold weather person. So, naturally i just cannot help but wonder if this will be one of the snowy years here in Oklahoma. We really havent seen winter's strength here in northeastern Oklahoma in the form of just plain old long lasting snow or real extreme fridgid cold in a few years. we've had super destructive ice storms for 2 years running but for heaven's sake i want a good 6 inch snow at least once this year or early next year that stays on the ground a week or so and freezes us out over here in the east!!! My question, does anyone actually think this will be a snowy winter season for a change? let me know what you guys think. Also, how cold is that air mass supposed to be that is about 2 weeks out? I lost my links to the correct model page to look myself or i wouldnt be asking. Is it going to give us potential for some early fall record lows? Thanks guys. I'm going to try to get myself more envolved here again very soon. I'M JUST READY FOR A REAL BIG WINTER FOR A CHANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!! | |
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-- Of all the ways God chooses to display his power, very few are as awesome as the weather in Oklahoma!!
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Site Owner Posts: 18 |
This summer has been VERY interesting to say the least. This summer was cooler than normal with the country as a whole experiencing temperatures on average 0.6 degrees below normal. It doesn't sound like much but it is actually a fairly significant number. Here in Oklahoma July & especially August were cooler than normal with July state temperatures averaging 0.9 degrees below normal and August averaging 1.5 degrees below normal. September so far has been on average 2.3 degrees below normal respectively due to all the cloud cover and rain we have been enduring. That's another thing, precipitation has been well above normal in many areas of Oklahoma which has ultimately eliminated all drought areas in the state. Texas recently has seen some much needed rainfall in regions that have been enduring their worst drought in over 50 years. They dropped from D-5 to D-3 in many areas which is a major short term improvement. Many locations recieved anywhere from 1 and 12" inches of rain. There is a weak El Nino out in the Pacific with SSTs averaging 0.5-1.5 degrees above normal. El NIno is expected to strengthen to at least moderate category by the winter months but a strong episode while not likely is certainly possible. These conditions we have been experiencing the past few months have ironically been of El Nino nature and expecting El NIno to continue to impact our region even more profoundly by the fall and winter months. El Nino is also proven evident by the lack of tropical cyclones in the Atlantic this year given unusually high volumes of vertical wind shear which effectively blows the tops of growing thunderstorms away. This is very typical of El NIno. Here is a link provided by the NWS in Norman, OK discussing El Nino's impacts on Oklahoma during the winter months. It proves to be fairly interesting. In layman's terms, El Nino's "typically" bring cooler and wetter conditions to the state during the winter and Colder then normal + Wetter than normal = a good chance of having an interesting winter. http://www.srh.noaa.gov/oun/climate/elnino.php Also here is the link to one of the model sites I look at in deciphering the weather here in the states. http://www.weather.cod.edu/forecast/ (advanced weather personel only... lol, actually it's pretty straightforward and in my opinion easy to read.) You should also check out our winter outlook for the country this year. It may just bring your hopes up even higher. | |
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I am with you on this one!! I have been waiting for a good snow for years now and is it really so much to ask? Just one good snow and then we'll be happy! And can we make that happen on Christmas too please?! lol! I think that if we can take any early indicators from our fall weather so far, it is that we will have a cold and wet winter! Let's keep our fingers crossed! | |
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Moderator Posts: 8 | Yeah, I would have to agree, I haven't seen anything this promising since the late fall/Early winter of 2001-02 when it snowed and iced all around the end of December and beginning of January and brought the last long-lasting bitter cold in my memory except for February 2005 when we got temps that never got above 23 degrees over here in eastern oklahoma for 3 or 4 days. I just want REAL winter again! I do love thunderstorms too, but they can happen anytime in our state, so I would rather try to predict winter stuff because its so challenging. Quick question before I go. Would anyone happen to have any thoughts on what the pattern setup looks like 3-5 weeks out. If I've got my predictions right we could see our first frost here in NE Oklahoma as early as the 13th, but definitely before the 20th of October. If so that's about 14-21 days early here. I'm not sure about it though, because like I said before I lost almost all of the rescources I had last winter to use for my predictions. I appreciate your imput Cara, and hope to have a lot more great discussions on here as the seasons change. I plan to go foliage hunting as soon as possible, but we are only about 3-8% changed here, if even that but the Ozarks explode with color I'd the conditions are right and I will try my very best to photograph and post some of the beauty here in the Ozarks and Boston Mountains of eastern Oklahoma and Northwest Arkansas. Bye for now, talk to you all again soon. | |
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-- Of all the ways God chooses to display his power, very few are as awesome as the weather in Oklahoma!!
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unfortunantly c clint that our good ol gfs model can only go out right now till the 14th but i can tell it's showing soem very interesting weather to say the least!!! only bad thing about predicting that far out is the tendency for the models to change left and right and really no other model to compare it to- maximum i would go out to is 168 because then you cna compare the gfs to the dgex model to the european model | |
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-- You heard 'bout the legend of Jesse James, an' John Henry just to mention some names.Well there's a storm chasin' legend in the south today.A man called Donny, from Atwater, Cee-A. Every storm chaser knows his name.They swear he got ice blood runin' in his veins.A foot like lead, and nerves like steel. Well his truck jack-knifed, turned completly round,he was coming down backwards 'bout the speed of sound.Alot of folks seen him, and they all say he had his head out the window yelling, "Clear the way!"Well he got to the bottom, safe and sound, and everybody asked Donny how he made it down. He said folks when the tornado picked up too much speed I just runned along beside it and drug my feet.
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Site Owner Posts: 18 |
I'm pleased to see a great discussion going! Keep em' coming! Anyway, below are the averages from the last three months here in OKC. The results are interesting. July - NORM: 93 09 AVG: 93 DEPARTURE: 0. August - NORM: 92 09 AVG: 89.2 DEPARTURE: -2.6. September(so far) - NORM: 84 09 AVG: 79.4 DEPARTURE: -4.3. I took the averages myself. Notice how much below average OKC has been so far this month? I did these averages Saturday so I need to update the September one but overall you get my drift. Precipitation has also been relatively above average as well. These coniditons suggest that El Nino is indeed influencing our weather and I expect the trend to continue. El Nino can also be blamed for the lack of tropical cyclone's in the Atlantic given the increased amounts of vertical wind shear in which effectively blow the tops of growing thunderstorms away. At this time I'm predicting a moderate strength El Nino as we head into the Winter months, there are some indications that El Nino may peak during this fall and fade during the Winter but this is just a solution that has been discerned for now. Current SST anomalies are fluctuating some but +1.0 SSTs continue across much of the Equilateral Pacific... continueing to imply that El Nino IS present. The overall affects on Oklahoma this Winter will be generally wet and cooler than normal conditions. So far this has held true! Below is an interesting compilation that explains El Nino and it's impacts on Oklahoma's weather below: | |
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Moderator Posts: 8 | I agree, nice discussion. I think that things might actually be better for us winterwise if the El Nino doesn't intensify much more, or decline any. I have looked at some of my history and a lot of times recently, even though the early parts of Fall (August-November) during El-Nino have been like this, the pattern changes for late Nov-Dec-Jan and brings us above avg temps and precip, so I hope things don't change much at all, honestly. I'll just have to continue this post later, because I have to go to work, but if history serves me truthfully a slight decline may not hurt us too badly. | |
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-- Of all the ways God chooses to display his power, very few are as awesome as the weather in Oklahoma!!
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Later today I will be posting an analysis blog discussing last month's very cool and wet weather. However I wanted to let you know just how cool it was for Oklahoma City last month. So the average or climatolagical high for the month of September is usually around 84 degrees. The 2009 September average averaged around 79.3 degrees which has resulted in a departure of -4.7 degrees! That's almost 5 degrees below normal for the month of Septmber making it the 4th coolest month on record! Total accumulative precipitation for last month was around 4.5"+ which is well above normal. I'll have more later along with what you can expect as we head deeper into October. Could there be a freeze here in OKC as early as in 2 weeks? Find out soon! | |
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Moderator Posts: 8 | I'd say you're right about the first freeze/frost. I've been saying the 12-14 of Oct as a general guess for our first one here in NE Okla. Since about the 10th of Sept amongst my friends around here where I live. In fact, 2 weeks ago I bet money on it. Lol. What's even crazier is that I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict that we finish the month of October near normal for precipitation but a whopping 6.8-7.5 degrees below normal temps for my part of the state. I hope the trend continues! If it does we may actually see sub zero arctic air this winter for the first time in many many years! I'm excited! Talk more soon! | |
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-- Of all the ways God chooses to display his power, very few are as awesome as the weather in Oklahoma!!
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Moderator Posts: 8 | I was just doing my studying on things and looked at my calendar here and I was wrong in an earlier post about the first frost date that I wrote on here. My calendar says for the night of OCT 22 and morning of OCT 23, as written August 16, 2009, "First frost of fall 2009 should occur on this night-morning if current temperature and weather patterns persist." I just thought I would add that. I thought I wrote it for the 13th but I wrote it for the 23rd. Just thought I would make mention of that, although I have no way to verify it with anyone. I just hope the pattern continues, and the moisture keeps coming out of the south and storms from the 4 corners area at the right times. Historically that is where our state's biggest snow makers come from when there is already enough cold air in place over our state when the low pressure or gulf moisture gets here. Everyone keep posting, I have really enjoyed discussing this. I will be on in the very near future with another interesting topic, so stay tuned! | |
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-- Of all the ways God chooses to display his power, very few are as awesome as the weather in Oklahoma!!
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Moderator Posts: 8 | I just wanted to come back on here tonight and document that the first frost occured here in Westville, OK on Saturday night-Sunday morning with a low temperature of 31.3 at my home. Not the earliest frost that I remember, but its the second or third earliest I remember and just 10 days later than the earliest frost in Westville's 110+ year history! Just interesting stuff I wanted to share. | |
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-- Of all the ways God chooses to display his power, very few are as awesome as the weather in Oklahoma!!
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